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Sheldon said in August 7th, 2008 at 12:43 pm

It must be noted, both in defense of the council fathers and in favor of wider usage of black, that the council never abrogated the liturgical colour black. And that it is allowed to be used in the Novus Ordo mass, for Good Friday, All Souls and for requiems and other masses for the dead. Many priests are beginning to bring it back in the Novus Ordo Mass. So you dont have to go to the EF to see it.

Stuart Chessman said in August 7th, 2008 at 10:12 pm


So I must have been mistaken when I imagined I had heard so many times over the decades that the major V2 liturgical achievement in vestment color was that black had been discarded for white? It also did seem that the use of white became well-nigh universal in pastoral practice – in line with what you call a misconception.

I am well aware that the use of black vestments remained as an option for “insiders.” I myself helped organize a Novus Ordo mass 20 years ago for All Soul’s Day in which black was worn. And I have heard that certain priests use black more regularly than that. See this discussion:


But, just as in the case of Ad Orientem celebrations, the use of black in the NO remained the preserve of esoteric groups and individuals without the slightest influence on pastoral practice or the hierarchy. In contrast to this decades-long futility, the Traditional Mass simply requires what is fitting and appropriate

Sheldon said in August 8th, 2008 at 8:21 am

Mr. Chessman,
I never intended to say that it (the rejection) did not happen in practice. Only that it did not have to happen, and that we do not need to allow it to continue happening. We are on the same side on this one… I intended not hostility.

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