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L.Th.S. Martin said in February 17th, 2017 at 1:43 pm

about ‘reversal by Pius XII of the order of Lex Orandi and Lex Credendi’: Dr Geoffrey Hull points this out in ‘The Proto-History of the Roman Liturgical Reform’ (source:):

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‘Considering much of what has taken place in the sanctuaries of the Latin Church since Mediator Dei, Pius XII’s reversal in that encyclical of the historical principle legem credendi lex statuat supplicandi, i.e. “let the rule of prayer establish the rule of belief”, is no less disturbing:

“Indeed if we wanted to state quite clearly and absolutely the relation existing between the faith and the sacred liturgy we could rightly say that the law of our faith must establish the law of our prayer:” [Mediator Dei, § 62]

This liberty taken with a theological tradition going back to apostolic times has been considered by some a most serious flaw in an otherwise excellent exposition of Catholic teaching on the liturgy. [See P. De Clerk, “Lex orandi, lex credendi”: Sens originel et avatars historiques d’un adage equivoquel, in: Questions liturgiques 59 (1978) pp. 208-211; and Dom Aidan Kavanagh, On Liturgical Theology. The Hale Menotial Lectures of Seabury-Western Theological Seminary, 1981 (New York: Pueblo, 1984), pp. 92-93.] The maxim quoted above was first expressed in the fifth century by Prosper of Aquitaine in an anti-Pelagian treatise entitled Indiculus de gratia Dei, and it is commonly shortened to the aphorism lex orandi, lex credendi …’
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I suspect that the abbreviation had somewhat to do with the misunderstanding of the original meaning. I recall the local archbishop using ‘lex orandi, lex credendi’ in a sermon and thinking that it was not at all clear which he considered the subject and which the object.

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L.Th.S. Martin said in February 17th, 2017 at 9:20 pm

My source of Hull’s paper was: civitas-dei[dot]eu[for-slash]hull[dot]htm

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cconey said in June 6th, 2019 at 9:56 pm

Hello
What a wonderful discussion of the Lorenzer book by
Chessman. I did not know Lorenzer had written this book until I saw some quotations from it in English by Peter Kwasniewski in his 2017 book. It’s unfortunate that even in psychoanalytic circles Lorenzer is still very little known in the Anglophone world, but this situation is slowly changing. I suspect that something that links Lorenzer’s psychoanalytic theory to his argument about VaticanII is his idea of ‘scene’. I really do wish that there was an English translation of the Council of the Bookkeepers. I’ll have to get the German and plod into it with my schlect Deutsche !!!
Regards
Chris Coney

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